If There Be Thorns
V.C Andrews
If There Be Thorns is the 3rd book of the Dollanganger
Story. But instead of being told from Cathy’s point of view it’s being told
from both her sons’ view, Bart-the clumsy 9 year old boy who so desperately
wants to find his place in the world but is having hard trouble with it-and
Jory, a graceful 14 year old dancer who is trying to help his brother find his
place and honor his dead famous dancing father. In the story Bart and Jory are
slowly realizing their parents’ past, but instead of getting the whole story
they find out bits and bits, judging from it there, the whole story is
basically about if the dolls’ sons can accept their past or would they end up
wishing they were never their parents?
Jory seems to have no big complications with that but Bart is
really the one who has a hard time accepting it. Bart is a child who doesn’t
know who to listen to, or what path to follow. Next door a new lady and her
mysterious butler have moved in. Because Bart is curious and desperate for
friends and for people who won’t compare him to graceful Jory, he goes over
there in secret. Soon he and the butler are “friends” and the butler soon tells
Bart more about his parents’ past, also telling him about his parents’
grandfather-Malcolm Neal Foxworth. Bart soon is eagerly trying to be like the “tough,
know-it-all and great” Malcolm since he doesn’t know who exactly who he is. Because of that when Bart finds
out about his parents’ secret he judges it so
much. He calls their secret sinful and begins to show hate for them. He’s
also putting his feelings for rejection into it and his adoring-feelings to his
mother, making it more and more complicated for all of the family. Soon Bart is hated on by the family, who is
doing their best to not hate on him but he’s judging them so much, he hates on almost
everything they do, it gets on their
nerves. I can’t really blame them, they love Bart, no doubt about that, but he’s
hurting them how can they not get angry back? Not being able to find out his
true self Bart becomes a boy who loves his parents and hates when he hates on
them to a boy who’s trying to act like an old man who’s dead and hated everyone
and everything thinking what they did would be sinful.
For Jory it’s not so
complicated. He loves his parents to death;
he probably can accept anything they
do. But when he figures out about his parents’ secret he begins to wonder about
things. How could his parents keep a secret from them this big? Why had they
done it? And could he still love them
the same way he used to before? They
clearly had done something wrong-right? But, can he also be like Bart? Love
them but hate them? No, he knows he can’t do that. How could he? His mother had
done so much for him…and his step-dad tried. But it was just one thing they
kept? They treated him fairly, giving him almost everything he wanted…but they
did something wrong, they married
each other! Isn’t that wrong? Didn’t they do something sinful…? But they’re his
parents, they love him, they did the best they could-right?-so why should he
judge them? Is sweet, loving, dancing Jory gonna be like Bart, or truly accept
his parents, who’s done their best for him all his life?
Though, the story keeps me
thinking (and probably will to you if you read it) and all that, I personally
feel that there could be another person who could the same thing as Jory and
Bart do. For one there could be Cindy, the innocent little adopted girl, how
would she feel about all this? Bart, hating on her for some reason she doesn’t
know? What does she think about Jory being nice to her but also seeming to have
dark secrets, or about Cathy, the woman who adopted her in the first place, who
seems to be happy to her but distant to Bart? Does she notice the darkness in
her new family? What exactly does she know about her family?
Another person who would have
been good to hear from is John, the butler. He’s the one feeding Bart the ideas
to be like Malcolm. How could he? Why would he want a 9 year old boy be like a
heartless dead old man? What are his motives, revenge, for clearly doesn’t seem
to like Cathy or Chris, as if he knows what they have done and is judging them
sinfully. What exactly does he get out of turning a little boy he doesn’t know
much against his parents? And his hate
for the lady he works for, he seems to be planning something for her too, as if
she can help him for whatever he’s planning. How does he see the Dollanganger
and Foxworth story? Does he see sin and evil or good and joy? If he sees evil how is he using Bart to get
revenge?
Clearly there are many problems
in this book. Clearly even if they want it to happen, Bart and Jory are getting
sucked in the twisted Dollanganger story, the big question is can they accept it? Or will they live in
shame and hate for their rest of their lives? Is John gonna get his revenge?
What’s up with the weird lady next door, who exactly is she? Will Cindy get sucked in too? Who exactly is gonna hurt
even more? (I feel like one of those people who promote books xD) And will Bart
finally find out who he is? What exactly is gonna happen to the dolls (read my
other post to understand it). Will justice
finally be served?
Hey Angel I loved your blog post. I liked how you asked so many questions, showing you looked deep into the text and found the things that don't add up. Does John the butler seem evil, is he do you think one of the "bad guys"? Bart and Jory seemed to be in a twisted problem with secrets and lies, do you think it would be better if they didn't know about this and lived normally? How do you think they would act differently?
ReplyDeleteGreat Post Angel, your posts are always very thoughtful and your not afraid to criticize the books you read. Great Post!
Lol, Ty, Tess. And I personally think John is evil, he's feeding Bart well not lies but bad things, he's making Bart hate his parents. Before Bart adored his parents especially his mom, but John made him turn against her. Isn't that evil or bad? I personally think so. And If Bart and Jory hadn't found out about it, well Bart might have eventually still turned on his parents. He thinks his parents don't like him and if he leaves then they wouldnt need him, he thinks the lady next door loves him more and since she gives him almost anything he wants he would have eventually ran away to her. Jory would have missed his little brother who he was close to and loved dearly. And ty again! x3
DeleteAngeles, I agree with you and Tess about John and Bart. I think that John should stop manipulating Bart and let him have his own opinion. Is John only doing it out of hate? or is there another reason?
ReplyDeleteAlexa (lol),
DeleteThe reason John's doing this is because before, John was supposed to get all the fortune that Bart and Jory' grandmother gets, he was promised that he was gonna get married to the grandmother and basically get some of the fortune. (Long story...) But the grandmother decided not to marry John therefore not giving him some of the fortune. John grew angry at this, so he uses Bart (The lady next door's um...prize possession I guess-just she likes Bart A LOT-basically want him to be like her own son). So yeah, John uses Bart to slowly get his revenge on the Lady Next Door, just manipulating Bart in the process. (This might be a bit confusing to understand...)